Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precisely Right

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 04:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely Right

Vanity page promoting a non-notable group of skaters that doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE. They've never competed at the "highest level" in the sport of synchronized skating -- they don't have a senior-level team that competes nationally, and have never represented their country in international competition. Dr.frog (talk) 04:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability discusses notability guidelines for figure skating, but doesn't cover synchronized skating teams. Since the competition structure for teams is similar to that for individual athletes, though, the notability guidelines probably also ought to be similar as well. Dr.frog (talk) 05:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable non-senior team. Kolindigo (talk) 06:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, synchro skating is a US Figure Skating sanctioned event, this team is a sectional champion in multiple years. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 20:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus at Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability is that being a sectional champion, particularly at a level below senior, is not sufficient evidence of notability by itself in any other discipline of figure skating for which US Figure Skating holds sanctioned competitions. Why should synchro be different? Dr.frog (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep they are three time sectional championship winners, have been represented at U.S. Nationals, and they are the home team for the 2009 Eastern Secional tournament. They have been featured in Synchronized skating magazine as well, it is in the list of sources. Captain Gamma (talk) 21:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment From the article, they have won sectionals on the preliminary, pre-juvenile, and open juvenile levels. That's nowhere near senior level, and they haven't competed senior at nationals, and so they haven't competed on the highest level of the sport in the United States. Notable synchro teams are teams like the Miami University Synchronized Skating Team, which are senior-level national champions and World medalists. Kolindigo (talk) 05:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The US Figure Skating web site clearly labels "preliminary, pre-juvenile, and open juvenile" as "developmental levels" rather than "competitive levels". See this link. Also, this PDF document describes these levels using terms like "encourage beginning skaters to learn the fundamentals of synchronized skating" and "allow most clubs to form a team and introduce synchronized skating to their club". By contrast, elite US synchro teams that might be considered to have some current claim to notability are listed here. Dr.frog (talk) 04:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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